The Crest of Hope

[lordpata]

It is called the Digiegg of miracles because its power is different than the one the other digieggs have, it only can be created by external sources, in the movie it was Seraphimon who released it, that was the only reason Patamon and Gatomon went to mega in the movie since in that level they had enough energy to summon the golden eggs.

About the subs are they official ones? or fansubs? because if you mean fandubs remember that they aren't perfect, I say this because on the fandub of the movie of Willis they translated wrong one of Angemon's dialogs. It was when Angewomon says they need to go to mega, Angemon agrees and in japanese he says Kibou no Hikari which is the light of hope, he was saying that if they digivolve they sure will find a way to win and the light of hope will be born which would be the miracle they need to win, but the fansub put it as the miracles of light, so they aren't perfect.

Here is the Japanese official dialog of that part I mentioned above like it comes in the movie

Angemon: Takeru, make us evolve to Mega.
Angewomon: Hikari, make me evolve to Mega, too.
Angemon: If we do, surely a way out of this situation will be born. The light of hope will be born!

Also it is very clear to hear Angemon saying Kibou no Hikari, Kibou is the japanese for hope.

Still I do believe the gold egg Davis uses is called Digiegg well Digimental of Miracles but that doesn't means it has a crest attached to it.

[Magnamon]

just thought they would have a crest for it thats all

[lordpata]

It's okay, guess I'm a bit well in the defensive mode because I feel most fans have misunderstood some things and terms we saw on the series, like how some fans feel Takari is destiny because of their crests and similar digimon and such, or that Davis has a crest of miracles because he used the golded egg.

I know that a good number of fans were kids so is understandable they see different some things but there are fans that are 18 or 19 years old who also doesn't seem to understand the real meaning of some concepts on Digimon like the crests or the digieggs, etc.

And it has been that what did lead to have all those fandom wars too :S

[Magnamon]

yeah I understand it just made sense that they would make a crest yaknow?

[lordpata]

Well just for the ones we know the crests, I mean as in the 01 crests plus Ken's crest, but the gold ones I see them as special ones or else we would have seen Magnamon on the battle with MaloMyotismon

[Magnamon]

which would have destroyed the balancing Magnamon can keep up with MaloMyotismon(the Khimeramon had the power equivalent of VenomMyotismon) he really would have made Fighter Mode's existance not needed

[fantasymagician]

Apr 17, 2010 17:38:52 GMT -5 Magnamon said:

which would have destroyed the balancing Magnamon can keep up with MaloMyotismon(the Khimeramon had the power equivalent of VenomMyotismon) he really would have made Fighter Mode's existance not needed

Not really... Magnamon have power equal to a mega as he is also listed as royal knights (all in that group is mega level) VenomMyotismon from what I see can keep up with 2 Mega especially inexperienced one. He could be big help but not to the point to make Imperialdramon really useless ^^ it was said Imperialdramon (paladin one) is the founder of royal knights so we can estimate Imperialdramon more or less a bit stronger than Maganamon in my opinion. WHY? He had been through too many process to get imperialDramon but Magnamon only Armordigivolve... I mean if he is weaker there is not much point doesn't it?

[Magnamon]

*wags finger* you just said the biggest pet peeve if Magnamon fans HE STILL HAS MEGA POWER! and Paladin Mode is at least five times stronger than fighter mode and Magna could easily hold his own against Fighter Mode

[lordpata]

I really doubt it, if you check the card games Magmon's attacks power was the one of a ultimate, his attack A (in the cards they have their moves split in A, B and C attacks) was barely 40 points higher than MagnaAngemon's attack A, MagnaAngemon's B attack was 10 points stronger than Magnamon's and the Attack C was the same value for both so I say Magnamon is on the equal to ultimate level.

I mean Kimeramon nearly crushed him if Wormmon doesn't helps him and gave him his energy, so if Kimeramon could do that to him then MaloMyotismon could do worse, I mean he handled a mega and two ultimates (Imperialdramon, Shakkoumon and Sylphimon) quite easy, heck not even when they summoned all the different digivolutions of their digimon they managed to defeate him since he managed to escape.

That because MaloMyotismon's power was fueled by the darkness he kept absorbing from the dark spore kids, that's why it was necesary snap them back to their senses and make them act positive which caused MaloMyotismon's physical body to be destroyed and after that with the combined light of everyone's digivices Imperialdramon got the megacrusher and finished with that dark mist that was all what remained of MaloMyotismon.

[Magnamon]

wait what? youre using a card game to determine powers? last time I checked MagnaAngemon was just as powerful as some megas(Piedmon) I never said Magnamon was stronger than say Omegamon but if hes a Royal Knight that means the dude is freaking strong Fighter Mode isnt as strong as Magnamon by like 5%

[lordpata]

Yes but remember that the fact he is a Royal Knight doesn't makes him capable to take down a mega of the level of MaloMyotismon when even Kimeramon who also was a mega nearly killed him if Wormmon doesn't helps him when he did.

Imperialdramon Fighter Mode held more against MaloMyotismon than Magnamon with Kimeramon. Magnamon ran out of energy, he said that himself when Kimeramon grabbed him and started to crush him before Wormmon rammed the airdramon (or it was a Devidramon) he was riding against Kimeramon making him release Magnamon and then after Kimeramon whacked him (Wormmon), while falling, Wormmon gave Magnamon his energy which was when Magnamon delivered the final blow.

The card game I used it as a reference for values of the attacks, in fact on the card game WarGreymon's attack A was higher than Magnamon's A attack by 50 points but it was just as a reference talking about Magnamon in general and not just the one of 02

[Magnamon]

the card game isn't accurate you have to factor in Magnamon's strenghts vs. demons(he's also known as a Holy Knight) his speed vs. Malo's(really quick vs. pretty slow) and the fact that the 8th Movie's Magnamon was stated as being triple 02's and they said that was a basic Magna and 02 Magnamon vs. 02 Malo Malo would barely win

[lordpata]

Magnamon of the 8th movie? which movie was that one? I mean the only Magnamon on movies was the 02 one and the X-Evolution movie one (Digimon Chronicles I think it is the name of the movie), but the Magnamon of the X-Evolution movie I don't remember he battles much so we don't even know his real strenght at all so I don't know how it was said to being triple the 02 one o.o

Also Imperialdramon Fighter Mode is just one mode under Paladin mode who was the one who founded the Royal Knights so I doubt Magnamon is stronger than Imperialdramon Fighter Mode.

Maybe equal in power yes but not powerful than him.

[Digidestined of Trust]

I think there's one other movie that completely avoids the movies of the series. I watched that one and it was really weird. It didn't even have Chosen Children in this one and the Digimon basically were fighting for their very lives b/c yygadrasil wanted to just start from scratch.

[lordpata]

That was the Digimon Chronicles movie, the one that showed the Digimon with the X Antibody

Oddly enough most of the japanese voice cast voiced the same digimon in the anime series, for example the japanese voice actor of Magnamon in that movie was the same one who voiced Davis' Veemon and all of his digivolutions, Gallantmon's voice actor was the same one who did Guilmon in Tamers and so on