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Post by Madame Pika on Jul 9, 2009 5:43:41 GMT -5
Well, the logical theory is that at some point a writer was writing something like this:
"Kari and Davis were walking along when they came across an ant. Kari and Davis looked at the ant then Kari looked at Davis and Davis looked at Kari..." The writer then thought I'm using the words 'Kari' and 'Davis' rather alot than thought 'Hey I bet it would be really styleish if I used the crests to show whose who. Hey, maybe that way no one will notice that my story sucks.'
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Post by Goggles on Jul 9, 2009 6:09:39 GMT -5
Well, that's the point of using those nomenclatures, to avoid repeating oneself. Although, in your example, he could have used 'he' and 'she' instead but that's not what this conversation's about.
I think it depends on the literary style or preference of the author. I don't find it insulting in any way but other readers (such as yourself) have their own opinion.
Should we get back on topic?
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Post by Madame Pika on Jul 9, 2009 13:11:28 GMT -5
Well, I'm not really insulted as much as amused. I mean even with he and she, I've occaitionly come into problems with it... but that's really where later editing comes in. Many say that it's best not to edit while you write because of things like that.
Anyway, back on topic, the crest of hope is a very powerful crest indeed. I'm not really too sure what else can be said though.
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Post by Madame Pika on Jul 10, 2009 8:04:22 GMT -5
Okay, thinking last night, came up with a thought.
The crest of hope brings to mind different things, for a start one of the ways the writers showed it in Takeru was to give him confidence. Unfortunatly due to society's cliches confidence is asosiated with arogence so it is possible that the reason why some fans think that Takeru is arogant is because he's got the crest of hope.
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Post by lordpata on Jul 10, 2009 12:37:02 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that's a classic one, that fans think he is a prep or arrogant mostly because of that side of his that hates the powers of darkness but I feel he is misunderstood.
Back to the crest of hope, my point is that I don't see how Davis' fans can believe so much on Miracles when they treat Hope as useless o.o
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Post by Madame Pika on Jul 14, 2009 4:08:21 GMT -5
The best thought I've got on that is that they're impressed by how rare miricles are whilst hope is well, I personally think that you don't have a very healthy mind without hope. Sure in reality both proably even out in power but it's sort of like if lots of little explotions aren't as impressive looking as one big one but, do the same amount of damage.
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Post by lordpata on Jul 14, 2009 14:09:40 GMT -5
Yeah but how you can believe in miracles when you don't believe in hope? I mean you can expect a miracle to happen if you're on despair The way Pro-Davis fans see it they put Davis doing everything and their definition for hope is just hoping for something to happen and that's it, you can check it on Mykan's profile for example he did his own analysis of the crests, here is what he said of hope and miracles: I mean come on, that's a load of trash, I know Mykan is crazy but who better than him for me to convey what I'm trying to say about Pro-Davis fans like him? Just see how he literally sees Davis like if he was a God. Reviving dead? Davis never revived anyone as far I remember, if that was true then he would have healed Oikawa with his power of Miracles ;D
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Post by Goggles on Jul 14, 2009 14:48:38 GMT -5
Ahaha, a diehard Daisuke fan. I pity her detachment from reality.
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Post by lordpata on Jul 14, 2009 15:32:49 GMT -5
Actually Mykan is a he, he is a guy, but yeah I agree with you goggles XD
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Post by gatogirl919 on Jul 14, 2009 20:38:00 GMT -5
Wow......pure crap.....and that's being nice...
and just for the record, when stuff like that happens more than once, it's not really a miracle anymore. sorry mykan, but it's the truth.
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Post by Signamon18 on Jul 21, 2009 1:19:55 GMT -5
I agree with the points especially considering how the crests of hope and light interwine with each other (which proves TK and Kari belong together) to destroy the forces of darkness
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Post by gatogirl919 on Jul 21, 2009 1:30:37 GMT -5
true.
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Post by Goggles on Jul 21, 2009 2:59:33 GMT -5
I agree with the points especially considering how the crests of hope and light interwine with each other (which proves TK and Kari belong together) to destroy the forces of darkness Now now. We haven't heard arguments from Daisuke-Hikari fans yet so we really have no conclusion about that (even in the last ep).
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Post by gatogirl919 on Jul 21, 2009 14:07:02 GMT -5
Okay, so I'm a little bit of a fan of Davis/Kari, and is it possible they could be together. Yes, it's very possible. I mean, we saw what happened with Matt and Sora. But it's not nearly as logical as Kari being with TK. As we've already said.
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Post by arctheelite on Jul 21, 2009 14:32:48 GMT -5
What is superior? Hope or miracles?
I guess the entire argument is based on how AU an author decides to make his/her fic yet still incorporate the crests. Canon appearances seem to imply that crests do little other than empower the partnered digimon to digivolve using positive (or negative) emotions. In fact, the digivices have consistently shown to be more "useful" than crests. The only time the crests performed something "miraculous" was when they were used to free the Sovereigns. In this case, crests are a reflection of ones' "strongest personality" rather than some arcane talisman.
In an AU, fantasy-based setting, however, it is entirely possible to expand the role of the crests to one of magical talismans. Of course, how much power the crests may contain is purely up to the whims of the author/authoress.
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